A lot of people are on Sam Allardyce’s case because of the back-to-back home defeats, especially the manner of those losses. Add to this a general deterioration in Newcastle’s confidence on the pitch and the spectacular turn around at Manchester City by Sven Goran Eriksson and it seems that plenty of people want Sam out.
So, today’s question is: who would be good enough as a replacement, and would that person be willing to take the job?
Sam Allardyce - Newcastle United manager
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115 responses so far ↓
1 Doctapaul // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:09
I’d look at the option of appointing Care-Taker Managers to season’s end.
That way no face is lost if it doesn’t come off AND we can take a risk. to see if it will come off.
I would ask Shearer and an elder; (IF he’ll come) Keegan or Venables. He forged good relationships with both at Club and International levels.
2 Merwe // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:10
Capello,Lippie.These are managers with a proven trakrecord at the highest level.Something that Big Sam doesnt have!!
3 adam // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:11
luis van gaal, martin jol, mourinho, martin oneil, slavan bilic etc etc
4 Rich // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:14
Ye id take Martin Jol without a doubt! Realistically out of that list Adam hed be our best chance. He knows how to play football, is ambitious and he is a good manager, he had a hard time this season but the previous 2 years he did very well with Spurs and i think he would love the toon job
5 iain // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:18
jol, prandelli, van gaal, pellegrinni, houlier, ranieri, bilic, shearer(with venables helping him), redknapp, leo beenhakker.
thats about our lot for decent managers we could attract imo. van gaal i wouldnt want though as his ego is too big and would just cause trouble.
mourinho/benitez/rijkaard/lippi/capello as very long shots but definatly worth asking before any others.
benitez and rijkaard sound like they could be jobless by xmas and mourinho is out of work as is cappello/lippi.
6 Davey G // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:23
Why would anyone want Martin Jol? What exactly did he do at Tottenham, except build a team of individual players? Please someone tell me that I havent been kidnapped by the same people who have the child benefit register which would have made me miss all the success Jol had at Tottenham?
7 true // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:23
Martin Jol - you must be having a laugh!
firstly SAM will be given to the end of the season and rightly so.
WE DONT want Big Al neither let him cut his teath and make his mistakes at a lower less costly level.
Remember Rome wasnt built in a day and BS needs also to learn how to manage a team with expectations that are greater than survival. Also remember we are not top four anymore and it will take several years to position our selves as a contender, so as long as we dont look like we will go daown give him time lots of it.
8 Alan // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:29
No-One. Give Sam a bit of time before we start asking questions like this. It serves no purpose and gives people the wrong Idea.
A couple of weeks ago (Alright maybe more than a couple) Sam was the next best thing since sliced Pan and his team looked Great on the Pitch.
He’d got us off to the best start in years and actually started looking at the defence and Injuries. A Blip (and that is all this is is a blip) and we’re all singing for his Head, It’s unreal! Even Fort Knox started with a foundation and a few blocks before something has been built. we need to cut out expectations and Accept that this year, we’re Mid table at best. No more of this “We’re good enough for the top 4″ rubbish and let’s all get behind the Manager and team so when we do enter the upper echelons (And we WILL, but not this year or next), we’ll all have done oty together, fans board managment and team!!!
9 iain // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:33
rome wasnt built in a day but they didnt pay a blind bricklayer to build it either.
sam is making too many basic mistakes to fill anyone with hope for the future. more players would surely mean more tinkering. geremi at the weekend reminded me of the time under souness our player ran into each other, so clueless were they as to what they were suposed to be doing.
smith just plain ignored any calls for him to pl rm.
jol is a much better manager than allardyce and i would happily bet he will win a trophy as a manager before allardyce does. he got shafted at spurs having his best players sold from under his feet and crap replacments bought for him. spurs board are more interested in making money than winning owt. just look at ramos they have refused his request to sign 3 players becuase they are over 25 and yet only the keeper he wants is over 30.
a basic understanding of football is what our manager needs and sams modern approach isnt that.
10 aaron d // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:35
Alan Shearer - no experiance, but a fan favorate, could attrack big players and back-room staff, would need support from an experianced mentor.
Jose Mourinho - doubt he would come, but would be my favorate, fast flowing football but will had a lot of cash to get things started.
I would like to say give sam more time, but i don’t want to be in a relgation battle by xmas.
11 StevieA // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:36
Is it Sams fault the players can’t pass for toffee? Is it Sams fault that the players seem to bottle it at every opportunity?
I don’t think it is! So have some faith in the man and give him time. It’s the players once again who are letting Newcastle United down. We should take some lessons from Liverpool and learn how to pass and work the ball, it looks easy doesn’t it? Well that’s because it is! Our players make it seem like passing the ball is a hard thing to do. Something is wrong but it’s not the manager.
12 Davey G // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:42
Stevie A, I agree with a bit of your last mail, HOWEVER, is it the players fault that most are playing out of position, is it the players fault that incorrect substitutions are carried out on a weekly basis. Is it the players fault that too many underperforming players are being picked whilst the better performers are left on the bench or played out of position…..could it be this that players are lacking passion and or commitment….or is it just the fact that nobody knows where they are are what they are doing???
13 iain // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:45
the players that sam signed, that sam gives instruction how to play, the same players that sam puts under pressure by playing them out of position thus making it harder for them to pass having to use there weaker feet (milner/zog), the same players that sam picks even when they arnt playing well or doing what hes asked ?
sorry but it has everything to do with the manager.
if its geremi fault hes been so bad for us, its surely sams role to help him and give him protection and not to pick a team that exposes and confuses geremi as to where hes playing.
and if smith was meant to be doing that then thats another failure of sam for failing to either make smith play rm or take him off and put milner on or geremi to rw and carr/edgar to rb. smith was sams signing yet he let his teamate geremi down against liverpool by not doing his role.
either way sam is too balme for that shamble down our right side vs liverpool.
14 Doctapaul // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:45
StevieA, when a highly talented team is consistently underperforming; ie giving or accepting 2nd best then what do you do?
Don’t tell me that Zog, Barton, Smith or Emre can’t pass a ball. They can.
There is something more fundamentally wrong at Newcastle. It ain’t about skills, it’s more about wingless tactics with a tall striker.
15 Greg B // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:46
I think we are over reacting slightly here, whilst I agree the recent performances have not been good enough, and to a certain extent Allardyce’s tactic’s and substitutions have been somewhat puzzling, I dont think we should be thinking about replacing Sam at this point.
By Xmas we should have Duff and Owen back in the team, Cacapa, Faye and Taylor should all be back in contention and I think overall we will have a much more balanced squad with the likes of Barton, Garemi, Smith, Faye and Beye having had a good 4-5 months at the club.
I accept Eriksson has worked wonders at City and yes, there are several players there with little or no Prem experience, but Eriksson, ignoring his attepts at the England job, is a world class club manager. He was one of the top club managers around when the FA appointed him as the England boss.
The only change I would make at this point is, if he was interested or could be persuaded, bring Shearer in, not to step on Allardyces toes, but to assist Allardyce, work with Viduka, Owen, Martins, etc on the training ground. Basically just get him involved. Shearer IMO would be an outstanding coach and with experience make a top manager.
Give Allardyce more time and get Shearer involved would be my decision at this point in time, certainly untill Xmas at the very least.
16 Len // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:48
Lets add Lawrie Sanchez, Steve Coppell and Otto Rehhagel to the list. They have all done well from the off and with limited resources. And Klinsmann. With our fans and press having a manager who lives 10,000 miles away could be a major advantage. The big question here may not be who do we want but who would drink from the poison chalice?
17 Jay // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:55
Get over it…….Big Sam will not be sacked and that’s that, so wind your neck’s in and start being faithful to the Toon……few bad results and we all start to flap!!!! Why not get behind the Manager and behind the Team……that’s what being a FAN is all about………is’nt it?????
18 sirjasontoon // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:58
Len the problem with Sam is he is so used to limited rescources we need a manager that can manage finances and manage quality players, we don’t want a go cart like bolton built with scrap parts we want an aston martin built with precision and quality components.
Sam can do neither of those things.
We need a big name at the helm fast.
19 iain // Nov 26, 2007 at 10:58
if isnt getting sacked whydid mort say on sky there might not be any funds for sam in january ?
20 Macas // Nov 26, 2007 at 11:00
In response to some of the comments above, a couple of weeks ago we weren’t looking great at all.
We haven’t played well all season in my opinion, and it was just a matter of time before we were found out - ie when we started playing the good teams.
And no thanks to Martin Jol - his transfer policy is awful (look how many players he signed who hardly ever played), plus he signed Jenas!
Sam’s ‘tactics’ are woeful, and I dont think I’ve ever seen a crowd turn on a manager so quicky.
Give him till the end of Decemeber to try and sort it out, but if we are still just as bad then he has to go before the transfer window.
Saturday was the worst performance I have seen for a long long time - worse than Souness or Roeder.
21 Davey G // Nov 26, 2007 at 11:01
Jay, being a fan is about having an opinion!!! If you went to buy a 42 inch plasma telly, got it home and it didnt work, would you sit back and say ” oh dear, nevermind it looks pretty”?
I dont think you would, would you. I dont mind big sam to be honest, but unless he changes his ethic of wanting to draw away from home and avoid defeat against the big four, then this will always work against him and upset the fans. All the fans want is by hook or by crook, see their team win. Derby and Reading are the ideal scenario’s to show BSA’s negative tactics no longer work in the EPL!!! Prove me wrong……..
22 Will // Nov 26, 2007 at 11:09
What?? I can’t belive we’re already talking about replacing sam. He’s a class manager and he just needs a chance, at least let’s wait and see where we finish at the end of the season before we ditch him.
That’s what Newcastle’s problem has been over the past few seasons, we’ve been to happy to get rid of our managers after they havn’t even had time to settle in to the job.
23 Doctapaul // Nov 26, 2007 at 11:13
Jay, being a fan is about being entertained.
When was the last time Newcasyle strung more than 15 minutes of entertaining football together.
Where is the next goal coming from. When will it be scored???
If you wanna stick with Sam you have every right to do so.
If you think that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is not a fan, then you might find yourself marginalised.
24 Jarrajackie // Nov 26, 2007 at 11:19
Lets not forget that Ashley did not pick Sam, and pre season there was comments flying around about giving Sam a season to see how it went, I believe Sams finished in the Toon now, having heard a comment from a very highly thought of ex Newcastle player saying “don’t worry obout him (Sam) he’ll be gone in a couple of weeks” in the hopitality attached to the directors box on Saturday after the match. This guy was not kidding, and Ashley has the financial clout and the will to do something about it.
25 Nobby's dad // Nov 26, 2007 at 11:26
Right - give it to Martin Jol - the guy who pays £7 + million for Jenas, £8 million for Kabul and £16 milion for Bent would obviously be an improvement??
Like it or not we all need to get behind the manager and the team. The Johny come lately muppets who booed everthing on Saturday should f**k off - we don’t need them. I remember the days when we had Bill McGary in charge - now that football did stink!!
26 iain // Nov 26, 2007 at 11:37
duh and waht happened to mcgarry for being so crap.
take a guess.
he got sacked.
just becuase we were once crap in a lower devision with no money to spend doesnt mean we should accept being crap in the pl with a team full of internationals and being one of the richest clubs in the league.
as for slagging jols signings he didnt want half of them they were bought as investments by the board on the advice of commolli the sporting director.
and even though most of them were crap whe he had his two best players carrick and king he got them to top 6 twice.
im not saying hes the best manager going, but hes a much better manager than allardyce is or ever will be.
hes already been offered the psv job, do you think sam would ever get offered that job.
27 Nobby's dad // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:05
As I recall McGarry was in charge 77-80 - not 13 games. The constant stuff about none of the signings at Spuds being Jol’s has never actually been confirmed as fact.
Would you welcome a manager who accepts a situation where someone else buys his players for him?? I’m not an Allardyce apologist - but this club need to stop chopping and changing ever few months.
I was ashamed of the crowd on Saturday - we were always noted as fair and knowledgable supporters - many acted like fickle Spurs / Man Utd fans on Saturday. That team doesn’t go out lose - we should get behind them. It’s not blind support - it’s team support!!
28 Doctapaul // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:16
Dear Nobbys Dad, On Saturday, most people around me were aiming their voices at Sam not the Team.
We don’t expect miracles. We do expect improvement and entertainment.
We are currently playing (at best) the same as we were under Souness, Roeder, Dalglish and Charlton.
After a few flattering results, belying a lot of luck and poor football, we would normally be heading for Championship. Luckily we have Derby, Wigan, Boro and Mackems to cushion us from the drop. Evry other team right now is playing better football than us - agree?
Make no mistake, on Saturday we looked like relegation fodder. As we did the home match before. We were embarrassed by a team who probably will get relegated - Sunderland.
How bad does it have to get before you change your mind?
29 Neil // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:19
I think the problem with the fans who don’t like Allardyce is the manner in which we get beat not the actual getting beat itself and this is why this debate even exists. Imagine when the 2nd goal went in if NUFC had went all guns blazing at LFC at we gave it a right good go you’d have people on here saying yeah we got beat but at least we gave it our best - However that did not happen. I watched the game on tv and give immense praise and respect to the people who go to see the club we all love week in week out because quite frankly I wont. I haven’t been regurlarly since Bobby was manager out of principle because year after year utter dross has been served up all too frequently. I can acknowledge that it’s a good job everyone isn’t like me or we’d have no support in the stadium too by the way - that is not the point I am trying to make here. To watch our team struggle with such basic things as pass & move, marking in general play & set pieces, closing people down, making life difficult for the opposition was really quite worrying.
I think we’d all agree (Even those really ticked off with Sam) that 13/14 games is not enough time to give a bloke in a new job but we’d also agree that the players are, every week, played out of position in at least 2 areas. Liken it to your own work place - Would the accountant working as the cleaner and vice versa make for a successful business? No it certainly wouldn’t and it’s things like this that make us, the fans, doubt Allardyce’s credentials not the fact that Liverpool beat us 3-0 on our own patch.
Regardless of what we all think I am pretty sure (Not 100% mind!!) that he will still be in charge of the next 13/14 games so we will have to put up with it whether that means booing him and his decisions or whether to support him and the team whole heartedly.
30 iain // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:19
the tactics and team selection has been viewed by many as just the same as going out to loose.
the day we sit back and start accepting tripe like that liverpool game will be the day the fans stop turning up.
what worries me about the 13 games weve played is the team doesnt look any better than last season and at times worse.
no fans in the league would sit there and clap the kind of crud weve been served up against pompey and liverpool. which were both performances of players not responding to the manager.
as for jol i think he accepted it to a point becuase he knew he had good players like carrick and that its often the way things are done when big bids coem in for players. the problem was spurs board were buying players for financial reasons not playing ones.
31 Nobby's dad // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:33
I’m not some blind supporter of Allardyce - I posted on here after the Portsmouth game that I had seroius doubts about him. My concern is that as supporters we are becoming a laughing stock.
OK people can shout you don’t know what your doing - but on Saturday the team BSA built at Bolton beat the Premier champions - he must have been doing something right. IMO the problem is that he bought too many new players - I’d have rather seen 2+ top class players come in but he was under pressure to sort out so many areas of the team.
We all know that the player out there are better than they are showing - booing (and lets be honest there was next to no cheering) affects the players and their performances. Just get behind the team and maybe with support instead of constant criticism they may begin to improve.
Remember how the Manc’s were all calling for Fergie to go when he’d won nothing in his 1st few seasons - re-building takes time, hang on in and CHEER the lads on.
32 Davey G // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:35
i suggest that Sam Allardyce goes back to basics. 4 - 4- 2
Given - Beye- Resenhal-Faye-Enrique-Nzog-Butt-Barton-Milner-Viduka-Martins.
He needs to drop the underperformers like Smith, Geremi, Emre and forget about the likes of Carr, Taylor, Duff, Owen. These should be Squad Players until they prove otherwise!!!!!
And Please in the Jan transfer window, buy a bloody playmaker, and a proven one at that, even if it means breaking the bank.
33 Davey G // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:42
But Nobby’s Dad, I agree with players take time to settle, and he probably did bring in too many players at once, but on current showing the majority of players he has brought are currently not good enough so he should be dropping them!! play the players who have performed relatively well when in the team this season. Stop dropping Milner and interchanging Charlie and Milner. Play milner in place of Smith. Play Beye in Place of Geremi, play them all in position. MILNER is currently the Best player at the club, Why o Why is he the first one dropped and a Low scoring centre forward come central midfielder, who kicks everything above grass level played in his place? Why take off NZog (LW) and Replace him with a right winger and Leave an inneffective A.Smith on the pitch? The gripe isnt with the Manager because he signed too many players, it is with his tactics and the way he uses the players!!!
34 Doctapaul // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:50
ND, Davey G is not wrong.
35 Davey G // Nov 26, 2007 at 12:51
Jarra jackie, this would not surprise me in the slightest. We Play Blackburn Rovers AWAY next week and then Arsenal at Home the following week. I predict 2 defeats. Reason being, I have seen nothing to say that we will break our terrible run of away results, and if you cannot beat Arsenal second String, what hope do you have of beating their first team?
£75 m was wiped of Mr Ashley’s business interests last week, anymore losses fianancially for the fella could just make him react to growing pressure and the risk of making yet more losses in the business world, to appoint a new exciting Manager at his football club which would increase interest and certainly boost merchandising would be very appealing to even the least ambitious business man!!!!
36 Nobby's dad // Nov 26, 2007 at 13:01
I accept everything that’s been said - mind you I didn’t think it was unreasonable to take the Zog off on Saturday - I thought he had a stinker (but granted not that much worse than most). Beye was at CB because of injuries. IMO Butt is our best player at present (which in itself is worrying).
I honestly don’t know what the answer is - all I do know is that a club which changes manager every season, as we do, is heading nowhere. At the end of the day Ashley will act if things don’t improve. The booing won’t change anything, all it does is sour the atmosphere on match day and demotivate players.
37 Doctapaul // Nov 26, 2007 at 13:05
Sam Allardyce quotes, SkySportsNews, Sunday:
“It can’t be done in a short period of time. ”
Yeh Sam, Tell that to Man City and Porstmouth supporters.
You’re running out of excuses.
38 Davey G // Nov 26, 2007 at 13:05
I do NOT condone the booing of players, and never will, better things to spend my money on than a match ticket just to go and boo at people, however, Players who allow themselves to be demotivated by fans booooing are not wanted at this club!!
Mr Gerrard, who recieved the most boo’s all day, certainly didnt get demotivated did he???
39 Sour Grapes // Nov 26, 2007 at 13:10
Steven Gerrard is Liverpool (with Torres mind you.)
Liverpool is Gerrard.
He’s world class. I wish he was at Newcastle.
Take G&T out of Liverpool team and what’s left maybe good but not that good.
40 Obafan // Nov 26, 2007 at 13:52
Get rid of SA, it’s logic that it isn’t easy to build a new team and that everybody needs time to do that (except Eriksson but okay). But I think if you’re building up a new team that you have to see a positive development in play week in week out. Does that happen?
NO, on the contrary, every week seems harder and harder to reach the backline and to get a corner. If we get a corner kick next week what a level we would reach. For me SA prooves that he ran out of ideas and that he is waisting the players out of their positions. He tries to cover his mistakes by making substitutions which just replace a player not reform his squad (Milner in N’Zogbia out was just a player change not a tactical one). He is annoying the players and that for me is the reason why they are slipping their passion, cause we have to admit that is the case.
Go for:
Capello
Jol (who did a fantastic job at Spurs)
Lippi
Mourinho (he will never come, but we can offer him something and try)
Van Gaal
41 Sour Grapes // Nov 26, 2007 at 13:58
Ask the Special One.
if you don’t buy a ticket, you acn’t win the lottery.
42 sirjasontoon // Nov 26, 2007 at 14:07
We now have a billionaire chairman, some good players (on paper) and a fan base that is second to none.
If I was a top manager I would be knocking on Ashley’s door for the job right now,the foundations are laid, it just needs organised by a manager that is tactically aware,can manage big stars and take this club by the scruff of the neck and drag it up to where it belongs in the champions lge and challenging at the right end of the table.
I give Sam two more games then he will get the chop,something tells me he might not even have that long..his first task was to build a defence and he failed and the players are clearly very unhappy.
43 Jarrajackie // Nov 26, 2007 at 14:16
I ‘m not sure if Sam should go or not, replacing him will be a nightmare, most people in the right mind would’nt come here, lets face it, if you look for a new job you want a few things included, such as job security, aprreciation, time to get it right to name a few, none of which we can offer, its time for club and supporters to make a long term commitment to a manager, one more roll of the dice may be all we have before emulating Sunderlands last few seasons. Just as a side note, last November fat Freddie was talking to Erikson about the Newcastle post, however public opinion put him off OOPS!
44 Doctapaul // Nov 26, 2007 at 14:24
Well Jarra, I agree it’s going to be tough getting a decision. What might attract a worthy manager with the promise of a few million to spend in January and more should we get into Europe.
I would let Sam be for 2 games we are bound to lose anyway and sound out candidate replacements. No point in giving someone Arsenal at home for their first game.
btw - I would also clear out Pearson and wheoever else hasn’t made a difference under various managers. Way back, I thought Pearson would sort out our defence - I was mistaken.
45 subz // Nov 26, 2007 at 15:08
IF A BUILDER CAME ROUND TO YOUR HOUSE AND STARTED FIXING A WALL WITH PLASTERSEEN, AND THE MISSES STOOD THERE AND TOLD YOU TO GIVE HIM TIME AND HE CAN MAKE IT WORK. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
“SHUT THE F*(&CK UP, YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT”
Which is my response to all of you!!!!!!!!!!
46 Leo // Nov 26, 2007 at 15:14
what a stupid story. come on get your act together, sam isnt going nowhere
47 Davey G // Nov 26, 2007 at 15:16
SUBZ, must have just getting in from school have you??
If you read the rest of the postings you will see that they are all at least trying to be constructive, nice of you to come on here and lower the tone with a variation on a statement that has already been mentioned on numerous occasions! Shouldnt you be doing yer homework……….
And if i spoke to my missus like that, she’d break my jaw more likely!!
48 Jay // Nov 26, 2007 at 15:40
Hay Davey G,
Cheers for the advice above buddy……feel i was being a wee bit OTT in my comments but it does really grip my S**t that as soon as it all goes wrong people start to get all crazy and talk about sackings……..i still feel that BSA has alot to prove and we should give him more time!!!
Oh and SUBZ………jog on u fool!!!
49 AdamJD2 // Nov 26, 2007 at 15:41
First off, subz, that crap is just uncalled for. Can’t stand supporters like you. Anyway, replacing Sam i think is a mistake before the end of the season. He’s addressed, or at least is trying to address issues that Newcastle have had for years…a weak defense and a new target man to replace Shearer. He’s done well in getting good defensive players and a great target in Viduka….WITH A LIMITED BUDGET. I’m sure more could have been done if big MO was wasted with injuries. Plus NUFC fans are tough, we are expecting greatness right away. SA to live up to that expectation first part of the season is impossible. YES…we are under performing. Our tactics and passing need to get MUCH BETTER. But SA is NOT the only cause.
50 Andreas // Nov 26, 2007 at 17:32
My answer to the question:
Gus Hiddink (which won’t happen so atm we might stick with SA and endure the dull football)
To be honest I do think SA have done a good job in the transfer market, bringing in a bunch of good defenders and some cheap utility players (note: I understand that a lot of ppl will slag off the signings as “crap” but just becasuse we play like shit atm it doesn’t mean the players are crap. Granted, Smith/Barton/Viduka haven’t really impressed so far, but that’s more down to my next point.)
However, I also think SA have failed miseralbly when it comes to tactics and team selection. Constantly playing certain underperforming players, play many (or most) out of position and finally trying to avoid losses instead of aiming for wins.
The above would be enough to call for his head (imo) if there would be any better realistic choice out there. But since that’s not the case (again, imo) I have to say that it might be “least bad” with SA at the helm for yet another time.
51 scott 9 // Nov 26, 2007 at 17:54
Dont reaplkace allardyce in years to come (2 years) we will be pushing for champions league hes a great manager he will bring stability we will end pushing for champo league every season if we keep him we will make the big four into a big five theres no point in go through managers like bin bags if we sack him well appaoint someone else hell go through a bad spell and everyone will wont him out again
EVERYONE JUST BE PATIENT
52 Jay // Nov 26, 2007 at 17:57
Burgers!!!
53 Doctapaul // Nov 26, 2007 at 18:07
Ay Jay, with Mushy Peas
54 Chris Bunton // Nov 26, 2007 at 18:16
Allardyce is not a great manager. He did well with Bolton playing the long ball system cos he had the players to play it. It’s the only way he knows how to play, thats why our very good squad is struggling, he’s trying to implement his long ball ideal on our squad of players. Thats why hes asking for time because he knows thats what it will take to change the players thinking. Its known as the performance curve, when you make such big changes performance initially drops. If we give him time we may get relegated(like Bolton did) then get promoted and eventually consolidate just above mid table, all this time playing piss poor football. Sam is very ignorant to think our fans will accept his style of football, when he got the job I thought he would know this and try to accomodate the fans by changing his tactics but it’s obvious he’s sticking to his guns. Who want’s this, not me. Lets get a manager who has the right footballing philosophy, there are managers available. Redknapp, Hoddle, Capello, Lippi are all better than Big Sam. Speak to Wenger and get his opinion, speak to David dein and get his opinion. They have the right ideals on the game and I’m sure they will know lesser names ( like Wenger once was) who have the right ideals.
55 Deanoy // Nov 26, 2007 at 18:22
Replacement: Sam Allardyce!
We see what he can do with a make shift team like bolton, and the EPL is gonna be eating there statements when he get hes players in and the squad is gelled and playing as a team. The fault so far is that the chemistry between the players arent fully there so the link between mid & def and mid & forward are there, a lot a bad passes and bad man marking.
Its gonna get better, and soon newcastle will be playing like a never say die bolton team but with a lot more skill and accuracy!
56 BigDave // Nov 26, 2007 at 20:29
Mourinho’d be the best! He could sign world-class players!
57 Die hard toon // Nov 26, 2007 at 22:03
Big sam should be given until the end of season if nufc does not finish 5th or 6th sam has failed & Omar Hitzfeld would be my choice he is out of contract come may @ Munich.
58 I told you so // Nov 27, 2007 at 3:23
Remember what you think of sven Eriksson , you guys worship BSA and ignore Sven gorran Eriksson. anyone can see that SGE is much better manager than BS, he won seri a title with Lazio and did a great job with england. GET A MANAGER THAT HAVE WON MAJOR THROPHY !!!
Jose, capello, lippi or luis van gal will be an excellent manager
look at our past manager
Gullit,Souness, Roeder, Dalglish and BS –> these manager havent won anything = no quality
59 papscrunt // Nov 27, 2007 at 4:06
For all the people saying we should give Sam more time will someone please tell me why? Can you see what he’s trying to do? Can you see how his style and formation are nearly there but it needs abit of tweaking? Is it because he done such a great job at Bolton? Is it his signings need time to settle? Well here’s what i think. No i have no idea what it is he’s trying to do. I have no clue and neither do the players of what formation they are playing. Was nobody else embarresed that Geremi was begging for help from the bench on saturday? His work at Bolton then. No disrespect to Bolton but they are not Newcastle. If he was still at Bolton they would be over the moon with the start we have had. At team like ours can’t expect and have the same ambitions as Bolton at all. And for his signings. He complained about defensive injuries at the weekend yet the back 4 he player where all his signings? Think about it. After seeing players like Ginola and Tino an Early Gillespie, Shearer, Ferdinand, Rob Lee in recent times. How and why should we watch rubbish like that? Even if Sam had Messi and Kaka they would look awful as he refuses to let players pass it around. If he gets his way we’ll end up with Crouch and Zigic up front and Long ball after long ball. Me for one did want Sven and just think what a cult hero Elano would be up here? They are playing lovley one touch football and we have a man in charge who is sadly out of his depth by a million miles. What an awful week now all England fans know how we feel cuz we are getting rubbish every week and its disheartening. If Sam does’nt go the fans will.
60 joal // Nov 27, 2007 at 5:20
jose jose…he’s the answer…a mixture ofeverythin..and u say that he need money..people forget the fact that he won the european cup without all that….at porto..
61 valle // Nov 27, 2007 at 9:50
Sorry, but most of u dont know what u are talking about and either lack life experience or a realistic sense… Jol, Redknapp, O’Neil, Capello, Lippi, jol, prandelli, van gaal, pellegrinni, houlier, ranieri, bilic, shearer, leo beenhakker, rijkaard, Sanchez, Steve Coppell, Otto Rehhagel and Klinsmann… Some of all those have done well, but only one of them have won something while managing a EPL club and the fans where glad to see the back of him (Houlier). Half of them would play unatractive football and tinger with positions (Which is the most common crititism of Sam) and the rest have either no throphies to their name or managed bottom half clubs in their most successfull periods… So tell me, what would all the disharmony and and upset that follows a manager sacking help, other than to state that the NUFC owners havevn’t gotten any wiser despite a change and still sacks managers when things get rough?… Imagine if we hire Cappello and come the end of the season we play unatractive and players out of position while loosing too often (perhaps he dosnt rate crowd favorites such as Oba and Zog) what then?… U would sack him and start again?
62 Jay // Nov 27, 2007 at 11:11
Hoddle and Shearer…..get in!!
63 Moose // Nov 27, 2007 at 11:15
Ay come on lads Sam isnt really the problem. Its just the club is playin like crap now. Is it Sam’s fault that Cacapa doesnt wanna tackle? Is is Sam’s fault because Rozehnal likes to ball watch? This club has had a terrible defensive record for the past few seasons. Is same gonna be able to fix it after 13 games? As well he wasnt given much kitty over the summer so what do you expect 4 John Terrys? You get what you pay for. Most of Sam’s people brought in were Free Transfers. I think Sam did well for what he had and if we give him time we can salvage this season. I dont think this current squad is capable of a top 4 finish but certainly a top 8 finish. Look at Man Ure they got Tevez who did we get? Viduka why cause he was free. Who did Liverpool get Torres……who did we get Viduka. So you cant expect us to get top 4 football when we spend less for the summer then some teams spend on one player.
64 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 11:18
Jay your soooo wrong, Hoddle & Shearer & Eileen Drury…………
Throw in Mystic meg and we will be able to decide which matches we attend, as she will be able to tell us when we are gonna win and when we arent!!
65 JakartaDean // Nov 27, 2007 at 11:21
A few random thoughts:
Signings: Great. Like a lot of people, and in particular a lot of people commenting on this site, I thought he had done some great deals.
Training, conditioning: I thought this was such a basic idea, in modern sports, that it was almost a gift horse, being able to implement basic conditioning principles ahead of other EPL teams. No question in my mind that he has this right.
Rotating manager: No manager should have to fear losing his job less than half way through his first season, assuming he has a good track record somewhere else. It’s just foolish to expect improvement overnight, especially with the number of new players we have.
Having said that, we come to…
Tactics: Awful. Horrible. Abysmal. $word_indicating_despair: For the life of me, I can’t understand the tactical choices BSA has made. For a while I thought he was trying to test players in different positions, different combinations, but surely that has been proven not to work, and quite a while ago. Some problems I see are that man-marking has deteriorated from bad to terrible, defensive shape is terrible, no width on attack, poor ball control and a poor strategy of a quick deep kick way down the pitch. These are attributable to Sam’s:
- lack of ability to coach the defense (and I don’t understand the very basic, schoolboy type of mistakes we are routinely making on defence),
- reluctance to make short passes to open players, a la Liverpool, ManU or many European clubs (in fact a loty EPL clubs also),
- inability to get players wide, especially the wide midfielders.
I think most, but not all, of these are due to players playing in the wrong position and/or being given the wrong instructions — i.e. mistakes by the manager.
On balance, I’m flummoxed. I think it’s wrong to fire a manager at the first sign of trouble, but BSA’s tactical choices defy explanation. I’m not a football expert, came to the game late in life, but have played and coached youth football for many years. I wish Sam would come out and explain what he’s trying to do, because he’s gotta be smarter than the tactical choices he’s made so far.
At least I hope and pray he is.
Dean
66 Jay // Nov 27, 2007 at 11:22
Ha ha ha ha ha……..twas only messing with ya buddy…….How about Ronald Macdonald and the Hamburgerler!!!!
67 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 11:24
We already have Ronald McDonald and the hamburglar………
Allardyce and his son………………………….
68 scott 9 // Nov 27, 2007 at 11:58
rednapp or mourinho would not come to newcastle
69 ToonKing // Nov 27, 2007 at 12:18
Sam should never be sacked this season.
Now to still be on topic i’m with Valle. none of the managers can bring what the boo boys want, not even Mourinho cause he will play unatractive footy too, well at least for some of you.
If i really really try then maybe Mourinho, Wenger , Sir Ferguson or Hiddink. there.
I can think of no one better right now then Sam.
Sam’s the Man.
70 Jay // Nov 27, 2007 at 12:25
Bring back Bobby!!
71 ChrisL // Nov 27, 2007 at 12:28
I’m disgusted that this topic has been raised. NUFC Blog, you should be ashamed.
72 sirjasontoon // Nov 27, 2007 at 12:38
ChrisL I think the blog that Ed has put together is excellent and I say hats off to them for not just pretending that all is rosy in the toon back garden.
If they where writing current articles on Sam’s sucess, his tactical genius and how great the season has been so far then I would question them..if you don’t like the heat in the kitchen don’t turn on the oven.
73 Jay // Nov 27, 2007 at 13:01
Yeah ChrisL……..Jog on!!
74 bowsie // Nov 27, 2007 at 13:35
Pure madness to talk about sacking Sam.
Things are going badly and his ability has been rightfully questioned, but I always think of Everton fans turning on Moyes a few years ago when they nearly dropped or Fergusons first, wretched season at United.
We finished 14th last remember - and the ‘mackems spent more than us over the summer too. Give him the time, even if things aren’t going his way.
75 ChrisL // Nov 27, 2007 at 13:38
@ SirJasonToon, I almost completely agree with you. Everything is far from “rosy in the toon back garden”. But the problems have been developing at Newcastle for 10+ years, they do not exist just because BS is now in charge.
BS, MA & CM are all working to sort these LONG-TERM problems & take the club forward, while all this entry does is spread discontent amongst the fans. Some fans have stupidly high expectations for the toon this year and do not appear willing to accept that it’s going to take more then a pre-season to get us up where we all feel we belong. How many times at the start of the season did Sam make statements aimed at lowering fans expectations for the year after we’d won a few games & we were all getting carried away?
But the one single biggest flaw in what you wrote, is that Ed didn’t write this entry in the blog. Don’t believe me, check the authors name at the top.
But even if Ed had written this (which I don’t believe he would have stooped too), it remains a poor & lazy article which would be way below Ed’s usual standard. As a very regular reader/contributor to nufcblog, I am well aware of how much effort Ed put in. Also if nobody says that they think something is wrong/rubbish, then things slowly get worse for everyone. Don’t try to bully me out of giving my opinion, I have regularly let this site know when they have written an insightful piece.
@Jay - If you read what I just wrote, you’ll realise that I’m not going to waste my time with ‘your thoughts’.
I will add though, that if this is the level of article writing that this site continues to churn out now, I will indeed “jog on”.
76 sirjasontoon // Nov 27, 2007 at 13:46
I am not trying to bully your opinion,
the football sucks the managers talent is in question.
I don’t care who wrote the article to be honest that is not a flaw on my behalf-look on 606 and that is all anyone associated with the club are talking about.
77 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 13:54
ChrisL, read Jakarta Deans posting. This hits it on the head for me.
we play the wrong tactics everyweek - FACT
We play players way out of their positions - FACT
We are getting beat off Teams that, regardless whther we are in transition, simply should not be beating us - FACT
We are playing players that are either low on confidence or are simply not good enough - FACT
All this can be attributed to the MANAGER - FACT.
As you have proclaimed YOUR right to an opinion, Others also have their right to an opinion - FACT
And the general opinion is that BSA is not doing a sufficient enough job to make this-our club successful with ridiculous team selection and Tactical nous simply none existent………
Can you honestly see him putting it right, and if your answer is YES……Why isnt he putting it right now????Or at least since the reading debacle??
It is easy to play the BULLY card and the state your right to an opinion, so does that mean your bullying us now because we have our opinion that you disagree with!!
78 Jay // Nov 27, 2007 at 13:54
Hand Bags ay, roll over and let me tickle your belly!!
Well i do agree that the fans at our fantastic club do get carried away and i also think that people are going OTT with all this sacking business……it is long term, it is gunna take time and he is the right man for the ruddy job!!!!
I’m just trying to lighten the mood buddy……….bite me!!
79 sirjasontoon // Nov 27, 2007 at 14:08
sAMS 10 TIPS FOR SURVIVAL:
1 Pass Properly to feet
2 Get Players Support the player in possesion of the ball
3 Avoid the team lumping the ball to owen and martins
4 decide on a winning 11 ASAP
5 change your captain
6 admit your mistakes and don’t repeat them
7 avoid confusing us with bolton and wimbledon
8 playing a defend defend defend system
9 Attack the opposition and use wingers properly
10Play players in correct positions when possible
80 ToonKing // Nov 27, 2007 at 14:29
@davey:
-we play the wrong tactics everyweek - FACT - Why ?? how do you know ?? you a manager ?? just because were not playing the “legendary” 4-4-2 ?? not a FACT
-We play players way out of their positions - FACT - they are professional football players paid millions, one might think they can play more than 1 position + we don’t see the trainings and don’t know the players. not a FACT
-We are getting beat off Teams that, regardless whther we are in transition, simply should not be beating us - it happens, did Manure not get beat by Bolton, did Arsenal last year not get beat by Bolton,do this things never happen?? we are in transition as u say these games are expected.
We are playing players that are either low on confidence or are simply not good enough - who ??? every player in our team proved he is more than good in the EPL.
All this can be attributed to the MANAGER - FACT. only true thing.
As you have proclaimed YOUR right to an opinion, Others also have their right to an opinion - FACT - exactly
We are in transition, we are almost a new club, new board, new manager, new players. only St James and the fans remain. Nobody can expect to be a top 4 team in 5 months.
81 Toon Al // Nov 27, 2007 at 14:37
thing is.. if we played someone like fulham at the weekend and won, then played liverpool next week and this happened these discussions wouldnt even be happenin. canny we need to give a manager a go, we’re not gonna get relegated, our squad is too strong. we still have more points than this time last season dont we? liverpool are a top top side, with an amazing squad. i expected to get a thrashin, speshly after a poor derby day performance and a break to let it stew when the squad was all over the world. we are gonna have a rough ride goin into christmas, blackburn and arsenal. dont be suprised to see a max of 3 points from those if we’re lucky.
82 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 14:44
Toon Al.
A maximum of three points from Blackburn / Arsenal??? Which one of them 2 are we gonna beat,, if we cant beat Reading or Derby or more to the point the Mackems away from Home??
I fully applaud your optimism matey!
83 Jay // Nov 27, 2007 at 14:55
I love you guy’s………please carry on!!!
84 Jay // Nov 27, 2007 at 14:57
Newcastle 5
Arsenal 1
Get in…..!!
85 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 15:14
TOON KING: okay, though it is against my principal to justify myself to someone with lesser experience than me all things toon, please find my justification for the FACT e.mail!!
Tactics: (Dic)any mode of procedure for gaining advantage or success. Our success recently has been overwhelming has it not-Therefore it is a FACT that we hav no tactics?
Players out of Position: A.Smith, J.Milner, Habib Beye, Charles NZogbia, Geremi to name but a few have been played out of position, would you expect Shay Given to score 20 goals a season playing up front? Therefore whether they are professionals, highly paid etc etc. they are paid to do a job they specialise in, if not sign somebody who does do that job!! Mr Allardyce! Think that is nearing Fact Aswell mmmm
Manure got beat off Bolton yes, Arsenal got beat off Bolton Last Year yes, which other teams in the Lower half of the Table have Manure and Arsenal bean beaten off over the last 5 years and how many times? Oh dear yet another FACT i am thinking!!
So “which other players in our team are low in confidence or not good enough” Low in confidence NZog, Milner, Rozenhal, Martins, Viduka….need i go on?? Or do you think these guys have been playing so well, you feel you have to defend them?? Geremi, Smith, simply not good enough…..or do you think they are so good and hae performed consistently well they deserve their place in the team? Yip you guessed, I think that was another FACT by me!!
And as for your Martin Luther like “I have a dream” rant at the end. As stated throughout my posts, i do not think BSA will achieve instant success, but improvement from game to game isnt a big ask surely???
86 ChrisL // Nov 27, 2007 at 15:20
SirJasonToon,
The football does suck. I’m left wondering after every single match, ’surely if we just played Milner on the right & N’Zog on the left…’.
I’m sure you can only imagine my disappointment that the National (Southern based) Press seem determined to keep raking up any & every problem we have. Part of the reason I think they do this, is because we are always as Toon fans, so passionate about our football & always desperate for news… it means that the press know they can regurgitate another story about the toon & we’ll all buy/read it.
I just think we can help ourselves by not bringing up topics like ‘who should we replace BS with’ or ‘Should we get rid of Owen’.
87 cristiano aka italian geordie // Nov 27, 2007 at 15:27
…give big Sam a whole season, then we’ll see.
For me is not good enough but i don’t want to change the manager now.
Next one is Alan Shearer, no doubt about it!
88 sirjasontoon // Nov 27, 2007 at 15:32
ChrisL Points taken and you sound like a decent lad-at the moment it is all doom and gloom and fans just want something to celebrate and cheer about for a change.
I am undecided about Sam I want him to get the lads motivated and pick up some points. It is a massive job and with it comes huge expectation and lots of pressure, at Bolton it was a different ball game they where just grateful to play in the premiership.
What he did at Bolton was fantastic and I take my hat off to him but it seems he is using the same blueprint as Bolton for a totally different type of club with a very different calibre of player with expectations many miles apart.
Points make prizes and hopefully we will be showering big Sam with love, affection and praise after he gets it right at Blackburn.
89 ChrisL // Nov 27, 2007 at 15:33
@DaveyG,
I enjoyed reading your ‘FACT’ post, I thought it was a joke. It reminded me of the ‘Cillit Bang’ commersials for some reason!
Then I read your post that started “though it is against my principal to justify myself to someone with lesser experience than me” and I decided I knew everything I needed to know about your opinion & didn’t bother reading on.
90 ToonKing // Nov 27, 2007 at 15:39
@Davey:
We do have the tactics, open your eyes next time when watching the game. The team is not playing as Sam wants them that’s the problem. Let’s take our last game. Players were making good runs and making themselves available and asking for the ball at the feet, but Butt and Geremi kept booting the ball upfield. Also Smithy and later Milner were making very good runs on the wing.
I think that the problem is that Sam is a fundamentaly very different manager then what the players are used too and they are having trouble understanding and following he’s plans. I am confident it will be better in time.
U say out of position : A.Smith, J.Milner, Habib Beye, Charles NZogbia, Geremi. Smithy can play right wing, center midfield, forward. Milner can play on both wings , Beye can play center half and right fullback, Zog can play anywhere on the left and Geremi can play center midfield, holding midfield, right midfield and right fullback. I have yet to see these players play on a position they never played before.
The only team we were expected to beat 100% was Derby. So that is 1 game where we should have won 100% and lost.
The whole team is low on confidence so playing someone with high confidence would be kind or difficult. As for not being good enough, Smithy was a great player before he’s injury and after that he had very few chances to regain he’s form. this is the first season that he is playing regular footy. He proved that he is a very good player at Leeds and Manure and he will prove it once again at the Toon too, actually he played pretty good in our last games. Geremi is a guy who played for Real Madrid and Chelsea so i think that is more than enough proof that he is good enough. The only player who is not good enough imo is Butt and Ameobi. Even Carr has he’s good days.
Imo the problem is the 5 months spent by Sam at the club………it’s not enough. Clearly Sam has a problem getting he’s idea through with the players and they have problems working as a team. Time heals all wounds and all this will be a bad memory by next season, i’m 100% confident of that.
91 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 15:41
@ you ChrisL
You Shallow Shepherd follower……………………
My opening line was obviously a wind up for toon king, moron brain, if anyone thinks they know all things toon, it has to be the moron who is posting under the name CHRISL………….
“The football does suck” Ha ha ha, should that not the Soccerrr does suck, or are you english pretending to be American??? I mean c’mon, suck????
And please, if you dont think i am entitled to an opinion on a site designed to give opinions, i have to agree with Jay……..jog on……although no run along!!
92 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:00
I was at the match Saturday!!
It must have been different on the telly???
Can anyone tell me the good runs that Smith made, can anyone recall Butt (MOM) honk the ball up field, as I cant??
What is A.Smith’s Position? What is Geremi’s Position? What Position have either of them had any success at? All answers I am confident you will be bale to give me Toon King!!With Examples hopefully! When did Charlie NZ have a good game at Left Back? When did Milner Have a good game at Left Wing? MORE TO THE POINT,, do you think they will play WELL there in the future? C’Mon truthfully?Looking at the fixtures pre season I expected us to beat Derby, Reading and Sunderland! I expected a draw from the Reebok and expected a home win prtsmouth and a draw Liverpool, I dont think my expectations were high, does anyone else? Butt not good enough???????????????? Anybody agree with this please let me know? Geremi is a guy who played for real Madrid n Chelski….Geremi is 31 years old, and could not get into the Real Madrid First team or Chelsea first team as a regular!! Please check this out!! Smith was a good player at Leeds and Manure? Leeds yes!!! Manure ?????????Did he play enough?? Played well in our last few games??? When, do you actually go to the Matches?? The lad is a passenger……..Please someone on here tell me i am not going mental and have totally failed to see the point of Alan Smith, playing on the right wing when James Milner is sat on the bench!!
93 steve // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:02
christ do you lot ever goto st james, we’ve been shite all season, its not just the last four matches - our midfield is absolutely hopeless. We’ve been exposed away from home because teams naturally attack more at their own grounds - teams are now realising they can attack at st james with impunity as the toon constantly defend deep and just hoof and hope.
If thats not down to Sams tactics then what is!
Interesting to see that the Times had an article this morning saying that Sam wouldn’t be getting much cash to spend in January, that speaks volumes of the faith the board have in him.
94 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:03
I was at the match Saturday!!
It must have been different on the telly??? The team is not playing as Sam Wants them too!! Marvellous observation young sir, so not to contradict your last posting yourself, what should sam do about this?? Be careful now…Also!!
Can anyone tell me the good runs that Smith made, can anyone recall Butt (MOM) honk the ball up field, as I cant??
What is A.Smith’s Position? What is Geremi’s Position? What Position have either of them had any success at? All answers I am confident you will be bale to give me Toon King!!With Examples hopefully! When did Charlie NZ have a good game at Left Back? When did Milner Have a good game at Left Wing? MORE TO THE POINT,, do you think they will play WELL there in the future? C’Mon truthfully?Looking at the fixtures pre season I expected us to beat Derby, Reading and Sunderland! I expected a draw from the Reebok and expected a home win prtsmouth and a draw Liverpool, I dont think my expectations were high, does anyone else? Butt not good enough???????????????? Anybody agree with this please let me know? Geremi is a guy who played for real Madrid n Chelski….Geremi is 31 years old, and could not get into the Real Madrid First team or Chelsea first team as a regular!! Please check this out!! Smith was a good player at Leeds and Manure? Leeds yes!!! Manure ?????????Did he play enough?? Played well in our last few games??? When, do you actually go to the Matches?? The lad is a passenger……..Please someone on here tell me i am not going mental and have totally failed to see the point of Alan Smith, playing on the right wing when James Milner is sat on the bench!!
95 Jay // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:04
It’s all got a wee bit heated ay lads!!!
I canny wait till after the next two games!!!!!!!!
Oh and by the way i was there when we lost 4-1 to Pompey………and that was my first outing to St James Park… (AND F*(*&K ME SIDEWAYS IT HURT)………..And i still Believe!
Don’t get me wrong Davey i do believe there be some big bloody problems on and off the pitch but i still believe in the Toon and BSA!!!
96 sirjasontoon // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:05
Good points Davey G !
I mentioned last week that with Ashley losing 75m and the team playing so badly money would be tight in January.
I think at the moment the board want to see him work with what he has got rather than confuse him with more international calibre players.
I see the point they board are making I wouldn’t give him a bean right now.
97 sirjasontoon // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:12
Jay Alright fella Pompey was my little nephews first game he is 10 and he decided he never wants to watch the toon again..him and his dad left after 50 mins and decided to go to watch a rugby match instead.
I expect him to be supporting a top four side any day soon : )
98 steve // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:12
@Davey G - I totally agree, these MOTD muppets don’t actually goto the games
Geremi is useless and should be sold
Smith should either be played up front or dropped
Butt should be sold ( he doesn’t track players back which was responsible for the 3rd goal on Sat)
Zogs should play left wing or dropped
Milner should play right wing or dropped
We should sell Owen if we are going to continue with long ball tactics ( maybe Martins as well)
I could go on but its to depressing - we can def forget aboutr attractive football this season and maybe next
Its prob worth giving Sam the rest of the season at least unless we start dropping even further down the table
99 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:16
@Steve
Here here matey, I could not agree more. We are being fed the same bilge we have been fed for the last 4 years, never mind months, with no signs of Improvement (and there is none) then we will never be able to look at challenging the top four……….
Note ChrisL & Toon King, when you take off your rose tinted spectacles and read my postings you will see I do not expect Miracles straight away, but again improvement and pressure on the top four again is not a big ask for our Club I dont think!!!
100 ToonKing // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:21
Well Davey then i think u spent 60 mins buying drinks.
The MOM was Gerrard and the Sponsors Man of the Match was ALAN SMITH!
Geremi is 28 years old and Butt booted the ball upfield EVERY god damn time. in fact the only time the ball was kept down was when Butt didn’t touch it.
Now that i “educated you” let’s move on .
Zog had several good games at LB he plays there for the France U21 too, and Milner never had a good game on the left but then again he never had a good game on the right either.
Saying that Smith is a passenger is bollox, he’s the most hard working player on the pitch and the only real chance we had saturday was he’s beauty of a kick.
You expectations were not high. But i repeat the only game that was supposed to be won 100% was the Derby one. The Sunderland game was a massive game and anything could have happened. And Reading was always strong at home. And u see your expectations were surpassed at Bolton!
101 ToonKing // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:28
and it is not us who wear rose tinted spectacles, it is you guys wearing black ones.
102 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:38
Toon King, i do stand corrected re Geremi’s Age. He just plays like a 31 year old i should have said! Tsk.
However, look at the Carling Opta stats on Butt on Match Day V Liverpool!!! Tell me what the pass completion ratio is v super smith?
Name the games Zog played well at left back please and i will tell you the list of the ones he didnt!
As we can all say, “Geremi is a good football player,” but we know that is crap!!
Smith works hard?? Okay, and what is the end product of a striker playing on the right wing that is working hard??
Milner never had a good game on the right?? Mmmm interesting, 52000 fans seem to think other wise at the match on Saturday (You should know you were there werent you?)Especially during his warm up??
So your 60 mins buying drinks comment? That must have been the 60 mins NUFC totally played Liverpool off the park and had numerous shots on target, battered them severely eh, and I missed it all coz i was at the bar!! God Damn indeed. I did see Smiths Shite shot though that whistled whofully wide, as have all his others this season…………..
Would anybody (Just to settle this one) like to settle the Milner V Smith Debate?? Who would you pick folks!!!!!
103 Davey G // Nov 27, 2007 at 16:51
TOON KING, this might interest you. Some FACTS!!
You may need to remove your rose tinteds to read this!! I didnt write it, it is based on player ratings!! Look…..No Nicky Butt………
How the F*** can that be, I thought I was in the minority………As you were EDUCATING me??
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We tot up the marks out of 10 awarded in five national newspapers - Sun, Mirror, Mail, Times and Guardian - to reach a total out of 50. The top player in each position will be rewarded with a spot in the team of the week, while the worst scorers will be named and shamed in our Flops XI.
Flops of the Week
The good news for Sunderland is that, despite being taught a lesson by Everton, they only feature twice in the Flops of the Week. But that is only because Newcastle contribute a massive seven players to the team, including both strikers, two midfielders and three defenders.Jose Enrique comes out as worst player of the week with just 15 points, with Obefami Martins and Geremi not far behind.
Richard Kinsgon (Birmingham) - 20
Geremi (Newcastle) - 17
Jose Enrique (Newcastle) - 15
Paul McShane (Sunderland) - 18
Charles N’Zogbia (Newcastle) - 21
Alan Smith (Newcastle) - 21
Emre (Newcastle) - 21
Dwight Yorke (Sunderland) - 22
Daniel De Ridder (Birmingham) - 24
Obefami Martins (Newcastle) - 16
Mark Viduka (Newcastle) - 19
104 nightfall // Nov 28, 2007 at 18:56
we’ve heard everything about NUFC so…here’s a joke…even if it cheer only one fan up…it’s enough
Bob: i think i’m gay
Joe: you can’t be gay….do you wear dolce&gabbana?
Bob: no
Joe: do you walk around monte carlo in white socks?
Bob: no
Joe: do you play golf in those little white gloves?
Bob: no
Joe: so you see…you’re not gay…you’re just an ordinary faggot
i hope people won’t find it offensive…it’s just a joke…
105 Greg P // Nov 28, 2007 at 18:58
I can’t believe I’m even commenting on this. He’s only been here 12 games. Newcastle needs to steady the ship, and we’re not good enough for a Lippie, Jol would do what he did at Spurs, and then Sam is the next option open to us. For Gods sake take your heads out of the sand. Complain about tactics, make it clear that there need to be improvements, but let the man have a go at it. He did a damned good job at Bolton, and if anyone cares to remember Jay-Jay, Anelka and the likes weren’t all following the Kevin Davies school of football. The danger in a change is that we lose the players we have, all of the value and end up getting relegated. Allardyce will not put us down, and if he doesn’t turn it round and make us a top 8 club this season then tell him thanks but no thanks and give another manager a pull pre-season to sort things out.
106 Ashton // Nov 28, 2007 at 19:14
hey
I remember when first fat sam signed with us some twats was calling him a leagend !! and now after 14 weeks they are calling for his head
and when i was saying that fat sam is not the righ man for us
some tossers called me a mackam fan !! and now every newcastle fan is wanting to sack fat sam
my point is some newcastle fans are really f*(*&king pathatic they don’t know nothing about football so if we signed with a world class manager like mourinho and after three or four weeks we didnt perform will the fu*(**ng pathatic fans will calling for his head
107 ObaFan2 // Nov 28, 2007 at 22:36
Any manager must be given time, I’m not a BSA fan but I will give him time.
I just hope that his last few games have been an experiment and he is learning(from his mistakes) and will move forward.
If not I haven’t got a clue what he’s doin LOL.
We need an entertaining team and hopefully a winning team too
BSA you have alot of work infront of you.
108 ChrisL // Nov 29, 2007 at 10:38
http://www.newcastle-online.com/2007/11/28/poll-are-you-happier-now-than-you-were-a-year-ago/
I think this article & poll sums up the clubs situation for me.
109 Emma N // Nov 29, 2007 at 11:29
Why are people getting on Big Sam’s Back?
All he is trying to do is get the team where he wants them and this is not going to happen when stupid ‘’so called supporters” are giving him and the team grief at matches. Nufc always play at their best when the supporters are behind them all the way, not when they are booing them off the field when they concede a goal and leaving the stands after 10 minutes, this makes the team play worse. I think every one should get behind big sam and the team and this will give them the boost they need to be in the top five.
110 sirjasontoon // Nov 30, 2007 at 8:38
Emma N I think it might be down to the fact non of his signings have set the world on fire,his tactics have beenn questionable and possibly the fact that we seem to be getting beat very often..does that answer your question clearly enough?
Also the prediction of top five is crazy are we watching the same teams or has there been some sort of mix up?
111 sirjasontoon // Nov 30, 2007 at 9:05
The Sam situation is a shame really and I mentioned in the week that I do feel sorry for him his squad and the situation that the toon are now in.
I have talked with other fans on 606 and here and I caused outrage weeks ago on another site by starting to question things like tactics, fluid attacking football or lack of etc and it does seem that if you question anything negative it is seen that you are suddenly an overnight mackem ,not a true supporter etc
It all came about when I got the new pro evolution on my xbox360 and started to assemble my Newcastle squad for its ascent on the champion’s league when I suddenly realised what a really decent set of players Sam has at his disposal. Players that make your mouth water like Martins, Given, Smith (when not on the wing), Barton, Enrique, Owen , The Duke ,Milner, N’Zogbia the list of Toon talent goes on….
My argument was that when Sam was at Bolton he managed and assembled a decent team that was made out of components that where either rejects, getting long in the tooth etc in an environment where expectations were considerably lower and the pressure was no where near the levels we heap on our managers.
The next stage of my argument is Sam has now entered into a club that has massive expectations me included, international stars at all levels see above, amazing young players huge gates and I feel he may not have been well enough prepared for what was in store.
I think Mort has hit the nail on the head and echoes my thoughts about the January window why would you give this man your hard earned cash spend on players when it really is quite clear that he is struggling to cope and manage with the current set of players that he has already purchased?
112 Doctapaul // Nov 30, 2007 at 12:31
sjt is not wrong.
Tomorrow is probably a last chance saloon in terms of performance rather than result.
I refuse to boo players for now when the whole team is underperforming because the issue is deeper than commitment. it’s about belief in what you are doing and how you are being coaxed to do it.
If BSA doesn’t change soon, he will be changed out.
113 sirjasontoon // Nov 30, 2007 at 12:57
Cheers paul appreciated
114 Mehmet Topuz // Jan 10, 2008 at 1:00
Fatih Terim will bring championship to Newcastle… But they need to fire Emre…
115 Geordie Matriarch // Jan 12, 2008 at 16:15
Have not been to St James’s Park for 50 years, but am still a passionate supporter and watch on telly whenever it’s on. It breaks my heart sometimes. In the 50s you got bad days, but good days were frequent and brilliant and going home you could feel the electricity all over Tyneside. I get all the positions wrong , still talking of half backs etc but i can remember fabulous games with Bobby Mitchell making the opposition look stupid. And when Wor Jackie got the ball you could hear the roar I’m sure all the way down to Shields. No one ever booed the team, although usually the ref came in for a lot of stick. people used to go home again and again on a real high. What on earth has gone wrong?
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