Yes, we know we’re not safe from relegation yet, but assuming we come to life and stay in the Premier League - who do you think Kevin should allow to move on in the summer?
Shola Ameobi - odds-on to move out in the summer?
We are putting a poll up, but wanted to let you know that each reader will have 4 votes each.
We only wanted to list those players who haven’t performed particularly well but not list our better players like Owen, Faye, Beye, Martins, N’Zogia and the like, who we’re sure Kevin will keep. Of course we may lose N’Zogbia, but that will be his choice.
Good or bad, the players we’ve selected are the following 9 players.
Cacapa, Smith, Butt, Ameobi, Ramage, Viduka, Geremi, Barton and Rozehnal.
It’s interesting that 6 of these were brought in last summer by Big Sam. We wanted to get this out before we put the poll up to ensure readers knew they have 4 votes each.
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81 responses so far ↓
1 thelongshanks // Feb 20, 2008 at 11:51
Kinda same comments again ED.we have to get rid of ameobi,butt and carr.Along with them i would prob get rid of smith,barton,rozenhal and geremi,but this depends if we get players in cuz zog looks like he is heading away and if we got a good striker in i would possible get rid of viduka.
Downing,van buyten,bentley,arshavin and crouch in.
2 Leo* // Feb 20, 2008 at 11:55
love the new technique for polls where we can have more than one choice. works well
3 Kash2 // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:05
3 choices are not enough, they all need to be offloaded, however not all of them this summer unless we make plenty of signings to cover departures!
They’ve all not played as well as they should have or they just not good enough. I’m starting to think that BSA was adopting a “Quantity achieves more than Quality” policy considering the impact most of his signings have made.
I would love Enrique to show us his metal though. I think he has plenty of potential but he needs to show it now, not later! He’s built for the EPL and definitely has the tecnical ability, its more a case of whether he wants to be a success here.
4 magpieranger // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:06
I think we should shed Geremi, Ameobi, Barton and Smith. All for totally different reasons, however I think we will also lose Cacapa, Rozehnal, Ramage, N’Zogbia and Owen with the possibility of Martins going as well. I think next season will see us with a totally revamped squad, wether or not we stay in the premiership (which I think we will - but just). Hopefully the fans and media will give KK a bit of time, Ithink it will take 3 years before we are challenging for a european slot again and we just have to be patient. I am old enough to remember lots of dark days, 1992 especially. Dont expect a quick fix, we can and will get back to being a regualr top 6 side
5 Kein // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:10
Out: 1. Carr 2. ameobi 3. smith…
Others possibly butt, geremi and nearly everybody else (except taylor, milner, beye, zog, faye and owen?) depending on who we get to replace them..
6 Paul P // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:11
outs
cacapa, rozenhal, butt, smith, geremi, viduka, ameobi, carr, barton, ramage, duff
In
miguel/hettinga rb
lucio, barzogli, garey cb
shorey/bridge lb
wright phillips rm
carrick cm
muntari cm
diego cm
de zeeuw cm
ronaldinho cm
turan lm
eto-o cf
villa cf
crouch cf
that will improve us and take onto the next level which is top 6.
7 Callum // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:17
Only 4 votes? :/
8 Lenny // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:21
we should have 11 votes! not just 4!
9 Johann // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:28
My out list:
Carr - Too lightweight in defense, but could be useful as a squad player but if managers are goin to start him again and again then just please let him go so we don´t have to worry!
Cacapa - I always thought he would get better but he just hasn´t, and we can´t spend time on him anymore, especially with Edgar coming on. Edgar should be our third choice defender behind Taylor and Faye. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT REMEMBERS WHEN HE CAME ON AGAINST MANUTD? He had a big effect on the defense with his aggressiveness and Huntington looked a lot better alongside him
Given - past his best and his best was never enough for me. I want a commanding keeper. Guess what we have three young ones.
Harper - Can stay one for one more season but i´d like us to cash in on him and just take a chance at our three youth players. I think at least Krul will be up for the first team. That would be a very brave move. A move which brave managers take. Ferguson would do that in my mind.
Ameobi - good riddance
Martins - cash in on him, too inconsistent and no first touch, I would keep him but he will get so much money in so it´s worth to sell
Owen - if we get money for him sell immediately, past his best. We need a complete overhaul
Players I would like to stay are Butt and Smith
The reason is very simple.
Remember Butt back in the day? When he kept it simple? He was outstanding with England. We just need a good manager to tell him how to play. He certainly has the ability and he will come through.
Smith as well was fantastic at leeds. He kept things simple and had movement around him. He had a lot more confidence then and when it comes back he will be a good player to have. The thing he needs to cut back is his fouls, unacceptable, he slows the game too much.
No more I remember right now.
I don´t want to get rid o
10 Rocky // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:38
Johann
Your choice beggars belief! U want to keep Butt and Smith on their past reputations?! Ur crazy. They’ve had their day. Have u been watching any NUFC matches this season? If you had, yiou would have realised how Butt can’t pass to save his life, his sole aim is to give it back to the opposition and Smith! Lots of passion but no skill or quality - Not good enough as a striker and definitely not as a midfielder.
11 Jimmie // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:39
Ameobi, Carr, Smith and sorry, Ramage.. Out.
Van der Vaart, Heitinga, Bridge, Källström, Elmander and Diego .. In
12 Ian H // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:40
I think its time for Shola to move on, the bloke’s 26 now and has still done nothing.
I think Harper should move on and Krul should be 2nd choice to Given.
Carr, Rozenhal, and Cacapa have to go. They make too many mistakes.
Give Edgar a chance, sources close to the player say that he has to go at the end of season as he’s still not getting a sniff.
Enrique will be the best left back Newcastle have had in years! Get rid of Butt and Viduka. Pub players put more effort in than Viduka does!
13 Kein // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:41
A bit off topic, but what the heck!
My friend (who is a tottenham fan) asked me one day that when was the last time you guys bought a good player? A player like Berbatov for Tottenham, Gamst or Bentley for Blackburn, Young or Abgonlahor for Aston Villa, Petrov for Man City and nearly everybody in Man U’s and Arsenal’s starting 11.
I started to roll the years back and it was very hard to find a player who has really been great! Ok, for example James Milner has been good, but not that kind of a revelation..only one I could imagine was Zoggy, but even he hasn’t produced miracles..
Of course I mentioned one guy called Alan..That was quite long ago though…
14 stjames // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:41
Hi Ed.
I feel a pool like this one is too negative. Generally a team is not defined by it’s lesser players as much as by it’s best players. As a rule we are in no hurry to let players go but should get new players in as fast as possible. A pool, which in effect asks the fans to name our worst payer(s), is not constructive. On the contrary. It can be very demoralizing for the whole team.
15 cooldj // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:44
isn’t the word offload????
anyway 4 votes:
1.Carr
2.Butt
3.Viduka
4.Rozenhal
Keegan?only joking.
oh crap i forgot ameobi and geremi-though i’d like to see the latter tried at RB
16 Davies // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:53
Out of the nine players you have listed I would only keep Cacapa. He’s made some mistakes (Portsmouth was a bad example of his abilities), but he is a genuinely good defender. He’s saved our skin a few times and he works well with Taylor.
The rest; Smith, Butt, Ameobi, Ramage, Viduka, Geremi, Barton and Rozehnal, I just don’t think are up to it.
Viduka will have to do for now, but we already have plenty of alternatives, especially in the reserve team. Step up Andrew Carroll.
It is, perhaps, a little unfair to judge Ramage as he’s been off with a bad injury, though he did stick the ball in our net not that long before his injury.
There may be life inGeremi yet, but I doubt we’ll see it at Newcastle, despite his recent performances for Cameroon.
Rozenahl just doesn’t seem to have bedded in. Shame, he’s a quality player when used properly, but when used out of position, he’s made some expensive mistakes.
Barton and Smith always look like players who are fighting to keep their place, and maybe the rest of the team could learn from their example in that area, but not in any others. They lack the required skill and both are volatile. Barton may be in clink before too long anyway, but if not, thank you for your time, there’s the door.
That’s all I have to say about that really. Bye Shola.
17 Graeme // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:56
Back in the “Dark Days” and all that, the club was almost bankrupt so no money was available and a team was built accordingly.
Today the owner wants a team who will regularly thump Man Utd - the mans own words.
To build a team cabable of doing that, is one also capable of breaking into the top 4; perhaps not next season, but certainly the season after. The bottom line is quite simply, what does Mike Ashley really want??
If he wants to fulfill his dream, its going to cost him upwards of £50 or £60 million during the summer. If he spends £20 or £30 then he is happy with a quality mid table team that may pull off the occasional shock win over Man Ure or the Arse.
I would much prefer a more measured approach, spend £20 - 30 mill this summer, consolidate, hope to finish in the top 8-10 and then push on the summer after. Not everyone can do an Errikson or a Ramos and build a top 6 club in a season - they had a much better foundation than we have today.
18 Davies // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:57
Johann
Are you serious about Butt. He’s a liability, and one of the most likely in our team to see us down to ten men on the field. You couldn’t count the amount of times he gives the ball away in any given match.
GET RID!!!
19 cooldj // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:58
i think it would cost more than 60mil!!
also wasn’t that whole news of the world interview found to a fake-ashley can’t really expect we will have a team that will thump man u unless they get much,much worse!
20 ChrisL // Feb 20, 2008 at 12:59
Ed, Carr needs to be on the list.
21 Toon Al // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:00
people shouldnt complain that we can only choose 4, if more than 4 or 5 players leave it wont be good for the club, we need a team who know eachother and their game, if we let players settle it’d be better.
specially with the expected busy summer window with people comin in
22 shaunm // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:01
butt needs to go as he cant pass a ball to save his life, way past his best, rozenhal and geremi need to go both not good enough geremi is too slow and rozenhal had a nightmare 6months at us. carr also needs to go as he is a fat little prick who looked terrible in the villa match and has done for a while. altho i like ameobi he needs to go hed be a decent player for the likes of fulham and bolton and would probably score loads in the championship. thats all for the time being but hardly any player this season is deserving of staying.
23 Johann // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:01
Ricky point taken. I´m not at all a man for keeping players on past ability. But I just feel like Butt doesn´t have confidence in his fellow players so he just blasts the ball upfield.
If Butt would stop those passes and just pass the ball around and spray it wisely all of you opinion would change.
The biggest complaint is how he gives the ball away. Yes I know it´s awful and I hate it as much as anyone but just more confidence in himself and players around would change that. Butt hasn´t lost what he had. This has nothing to do with body or how old he is, he should really be better at it then he used to with age, that´s what makes it soo strange.
24 Tom_Toon // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:01
Id get rid of:
Carr, Ramage, Ameobi, Butt, Smith, Rozehnal
Not sure who to bring in.
Id like Kahlenberg and Demy de Zeeuw and Marc Crosas on loan for starters, then maybe Bridge a decent CB and a big striker.
25 cooldj // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:03
butt has never been good-he looked good because he was in a team with beckham, scholes, giggs and keane ect ect - 4 world class players in their day, a fact which no-one can deny. That team could have won the treble with jamie mclen in the team!!
smith needs a lot of work-he’s not a CM and he’s forgotten how to play striker. he needs to move to a birmingham or a boro-where his attitude will be aplauded and he’ll get a game every week.
The fact of the matter is replacing speed with butt was a serious error.
26 Gooderz // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:04
Out: Smith, Barton, Rozehnal and Ameobi for starters. Later Geremi, Butt etc could go.
In:
Wheater (if contract talks continue to falter and would add some height and hopefully build a long term partnership with Taylor)
Onuoha (backup RB, but also covering CB and LB)
Bridge (to prove he’s better than Ashley Cole)
McGeady (to inject pace and skill)
Crouch (because he’d be great for us)
Jo (possible Owen/Martins replacement)
Carrick - we need an Premiership experienced holdig player who can pass, and if Carrick’s not available Hargreaves could be with Anderson coming through. Another option could be Xabi Alonso.
Bentley/Diego/A young foreigner (Biglia, Cigarini, Defour?) with something to prove to provide a real spark to the side.
That should give us a much better core squad to which we can odd young players like Kalouda, Barnes, Annan etc…
27 jane // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:08
Doesn’t look like Smithy will be leaving thou’..
“Alan Smith is fine as he is” – Keegan
28 Nobby's dad // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:16
If we have aspirations to get into the top 4 then there is only Given I’d definately keep. At a push I’d add Owen (only cos we won’t recoup much on him and I beleive he’ll come good). I also like Baye and Faye. I think Zog will go anyway.
What you have to ask is if we put all our players up for sale who would Man Utd / Chelsea / Arsenal or Liverpool buy? Matins?? Emre?? Milner?? Personally I think only Given would attract a bid. Some of the others in our squad wouldn’t even attract attention from Wigan!
29 Bosck // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:19
I’d say definates out:
Rozenhal
Carr
Ramage
Butt
Barton
Ameobi
Possible/Probable out:
Geremi - rest of year to save toon career
N’Zogbia - looks like he wants to go
Viduka
Smith - either or him and viduka as squad player
Emre - similar to geremi
Cacapa - but would possibly keep as back up
Keep the rest
Bring in:
1 lb, 1 or 2cb, 1rb
1 lm (if zog goes), 2 or 3 cm, 1rm
2 cf
all players coming in should at least be challenging current players for starting spots.
massive overhaul but i think its what we need.
30 Tom_Toon // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:21
Tom Soetaers for cheap would be worth a go.
31 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:23
I can’t belive Smith is prefered out more than Butt..
Anyone whith a football brain can see that Nicky Butt is our worst player by far…I’d hold onto Smith as a squad player , at least he’s an out ball being playted up forward and can bring others into play..
Nicky Butt just gives the ball away
32 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:24
@Nobby’s dad. Very good point
33 STEPHEN14 // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:26
Give Ramage a chance he gives 100% every time and would be good back up when he is fit again as he can play right across the back 4
34 steve // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:28
@Johann - are you living in dreamland, both Butt and Smith are absolutely hopeless and are well past thier best, midfield is the area that needs a complete overhaul, and they are our worst performers, Smith is also hopeless as a striker.
If we don’t replace those two with better quality at a minimum then we’ll struggle next season as well!
35 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:36
just read Johann first sentence and did’nt read no more. It went
“But I just feel like Butt doesn´t have confidence in his fellow players so he just blasts the ball upfield. ”
Ohh my god..This is the biggest load of tosh ive ever heard. Butt has no confidence in he own team mates..
Have you been watching the games or do you just get the results of text or something. Butt is stealing a living at our club and it sickens me to think of the money i spend on Newcastle actualy contributes to he’s wage.
He was brillant at United sitting on the bench and that’s what he’s good at..He’s the reason we have a shit defencive record..He does’nt protect the back four AT ALL and when he gets the ball gives it straight back to the opposition. He’s a championship player at best.
36 Toon Al // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:37
the reason none of our players would attract top 4 is simply becuase we are proper miles off bein anywhere near that and we cant just get there by bootin the whole team
in all honesty do u think if we booted 7 or 8 players from our squad we would actually be able to attract players of a calibre to challenge top 4? course we wouldnt. they’d prefere to go to aston villa, everton or someone.
its not that im not a loyal supporter and not that i don’t love our club but come on people we’re practically in a relegation battle!
37 GEORDIE69 // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:39
Out
Harper
Carr
Cacapa
Rozehnal
Ramage
Geremi
Butt
Ameobi
Smith
In
RB
LB
CD
CD
RW
DM
AM
CF
Also Top young players any position apart from Goalkeeper.
38 steve // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:40
@Nobbys Dad - Top four clubs wouldnt touch any of them but I’d imagine we’d get offers for Smith, Martins, Zogs and possibly Barton if he stays out of jail.
Championship teams with aspirations of prem football would bid for the rest
39 GEORDIE69 // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:42
Players to keep
GK Given
GK Krul
RB Beye
LB Enrique
CD Faye
CD Taylor
CD Edgar
RW Milner
DM Barton
AM Emre
LW Duff
LW NZgobia
CF Owen
CF Viduka
CF Martins
Plus loan out all top young players.
40 cooldj // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:42
@steve.
but mot wouldn’t move down a league becasue they know they’re sh*t and living a cushy lifestyle with a big wage.
41 Chris // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:49
I really want to see smith leave TBH. Why he gets a start every game is beyond me. For a supposed attack minded player he neither scores goals or creates them. If you had 11 Smiths on the pitch every game you’d be beat every game and have a couple sent off.
Butt also gives the ball away to easy. He looks for the hard passes all the time instead of the short easy ones. It’s alright trying to thread a pass through now and again but everytime won’t work. The opposition read it straight away.
42 Dragoner // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:50
we need to offload
milner, duff, butt, smith, carr, ramage, owen, viduka, n’zogbia(as he is a clearly doesnt want to play for us) emre, and ameobi
we should replace all of these as they are either consistent underperformers or just crap.
43 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 13:58
I don’t care what anyone say’s but Smith brings more to the team than Butt.
Everytime i come on this site, butt seems to get by with no slack at all..Its all how shite smith is…
Butt is probably the worst player in the premiership , never mind just our team
44 Stami // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:00
Ameobi, Butt, Rozenhal and Ramage
45 Tom_Toon // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:01
John - Disagree id rather have Butt on our team and id rather have him upfront more than Smith.
46 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:15
you must like relegation battles then Tom
47 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:19
in fairness, there both shit..Either one you will be in a relegation fight anyway..
48 Obafan // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:21
OUT:
Ramage
Smith
Barton
Rozehnal
These are the players I voted for, but I would also add Butt and Ameaobi to that list, but i only had 4 choices to make.
49 Tom_Toon // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:32
John:
Butt 2 goals this season
Smith 0 goals this season
50 nightfall // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:36
johann - owen & given are past his best, but you’d keep butt..and smith, ‘cos he was good at leeds….5 fcuking years ago…?! he didn’t do shit since he left leeds… he sucked at man utd…just watch some old matches man… even i could play ok with giggs, scholes, ronaldo and carrick in midfield…
51 Martins // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:43
BUTT CARR AMEOBI CACAPA ROZENHAL RAMAGE all defo ged rid
52 cooldj // Feb 20, 2008 at 14:51
we could start with:
http://nufc.com/2007-08html/squad.html
53 obafemimartins // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:02
the person i want to get rid of most of shay given because he isn’t a good goalkeeper anymore. he seems to get a lot of injuries for a goalkeeper and his kicking is awful. we should bring in a new goalkeeper because everyone blames the defense but given isn’t up to it anymore
54 Paul P // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:03
fact of the matter is everyone the whole team is just not good enough in truth. if it was, we would’nt be in the mess we are in now. the problems started back in 04, when bobby left. the signings made, bobby did not want to get rid of speed or woodgate, he did not want to sign klivert or butt, but fat freddy did, and because of it, he lost the dressing room when shepherd said it would be his last season, we then got no hope of managers in, who brought the players in not good enough to wear the black n white. moore, babayaro, boumsong, butt, klivert, luque, rossi (loan), smith, cacapa, rozenhal, viduka, geremi, barton, siberski (although he turned out quite good), got rid of players like bellamy, robert, bernard, speed, woodgate, obrien (better than what we have now ) jenas, dyer, solano (again), viana etc, which are far better than what we have got now. Now this all results back to 4 years ago. we were 3rd, 4th, 5th team in the prem, 4 years on, we have gone back overs, realistically everyone, its going to take 4 years before we are back in the top 5/6. does’nt matter what we try and do in the summer, although time will tell. we will find out then how much mike ashley wants to progress and take newcastle forward by backing keegan in the transfer market, giving him the big big money to get the players required, backing him if he wants to move for ronaldinho people of that quality, it be great to get players like this in, but it will be another 3 years after this point before we can actually put in a proper title challenge in my view. Just too much dead wood to get rid of and you cant do things over night.
55 Eric // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:04
Allow to move? Told to go more like. Why does everyone want to get rid of Ameobi? The door should be opened (very wide) for Butt, Smith, Barton, Viduka, Rozenhal, Carr, NZogbia (if he cannot get his dummy back in his baby buggy), perhaps Milner if he can’t look up from the floor when trying to cross the ball, and Owen if he can’t see beyond what he has done and should be doing for us. What about some more of Allardyce’s ‘hotel’ staff? I thought he was running a health spa at one stage. We should keep and get only those quality players who can see that playing for Newcastle is an honour even if we don’t win any. It is a priviledge to be invited to Tyneside - if you are on our side that is.
56 iain // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:04
ed everyone in that list you can vote on should go if were serious about moving forward.
seriously if we want to push the top 10 and try and catch teams like pompey/blackburn/whu then we need a big clear out and a big spend where we buy the best players off the teams above us where possible.
everton/spurs/villa imo will be out of reach for two seasons unless mike ashley allows keegan to spend 100m in one go which he wont.
out/in
shola -santa cruz
enrique - shorey/bridge/taiwo
cacapa-upson (to have some balance in the team at the back would be nice)
barton-carrick
butt-scott brown
duff-muntari
zog -kalouda
viduka-pandev
carr/ramage-nelson (benfica)
emre-bentley
smith- young squad player cm as we have no kids who play cm would love marek hamsik
rozehnal-young squad player lb sounds like kadar will get near the first team sooner then we expected so we shouldnt bother with another over the hill 30yr old ch like cacapa just for the squad
rb - beye/nelson
ch - faye/taylor/upson/beye/kadar
lb - shorey/young cover… tozer ???
cm - carrick/brown/muntari/faye/bentley
rw - milner/bentley/brown/nelson
lw - muntari/milner/bentley/pandev/kalouda
cf - owen/martins/cruz/pandev/
wont evere happen though.
but using MA cash to buy better players from better teams above seems the quickest route to success in the short term ie getting back into europe.
im not saying thsoe are the players i think we wil lsign just the ones we should be aiming for firstly
57 chuck // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:11
OUTS
Carr-past it
Ramage-never good enough
Butt-not the future
Smith-as a striker, cant score!
Geremi-past sell by date
Cacapa-collecting a pay check
Viduka-Great in the past, slow, injury prone
Emre- has flashes but inconsistant
Owen-yeah Owen!past best,greedy
Given
Brown Taylor Dunne Bridge
McGeady Arshevin Nzogbia Duff
Huntelaar Martins
58 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:16
hey Tom..
But might have scored 2 measly goals , and they were probably consolation goals . But how many is he the cause for with the amount off times he gives the ball away. I think against man U it was something like 56 times he gave the ball away. At least it felt like that.
He does’nt do he’s job. He’s soppose to be protecting the back four , but never does..
Would you think Butt would get in Villa’s, Everton, Blackburn, Pompey , Man City’s team..I think the answer to all those would be no..He would’nt get a sniff..But he good enough for us..Its bollocks
There is no argument about Butt..Anyone that rates him must love fighting relegation becuase there ain’t no way he’s good enough to challange Europe never mind top 4..
59 CRAIGG // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:18
Reaistically half the players mentioned wouldnt touch us with a 10foot barge pole. This squad is players i think KK would keep and bring in (If possible) Realistic squad for next season:
Given/Harper
Beye/Brown Taylor/Faye/Cacapa/Edgar/Ramage Bridge/Enrique
Wright-Phillips/Milner Carrick/Butt Emre/Barton Duff/N’Zogbia
Owen/Martins Ashton/Carroll/Smith
Brown free transfer from Man utd better a RB than CB wants first team football would be preffered to Cacapa and Ramage at CB in case Faye or Taylor out. He could cover left back as well at a push.
Bridge 2nd choice for Chelsea says he will leave if he doesnt play in Carling cup final, Also Cappello wont pick him unless he’s regular starter and Shorey breathing down his neck for england place.
Carrick geordie boy behind Scholes,Hargreaves,Anderson and soon maybe veloso and Fergie loves Fletcher and O’Shea in centre mid as well and seems to find regular places for both.
Wright-Phillips is behind Chelseas other wingers Joe Cole, Malouda and Kalou.
Also chelsea will revert to narrow 442 to accomodate Drogba and Anelka with lampard, essien, Mikel, Ballack, Sidwell, Makelele all preffered to that system.
Ashton is behind Cole and Bellamy in west hams team when their all fit and Curbs loves Bobby Zamora who is back from injury very soon
and his 451 system that suits cole and zamora more than ashton.
Ashton the closest thing to shearer that ive recently seen great vision and creative passing, loads of Strength and good in the air and also admitted he would love to play for us.
I think despite all our thoughts Keegan will want to keep Butt, Barton, Smith, Ramage, and Cacapa as back up i think despite Tom_Toons suggestions he will buy English prem experienced players.
60 iain // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:25
john whats worse is butt even knows hes past it becuase he consistently fouls players.
prime example being elanos free kick goal away at city.
the quality in the pl has doubled in one season.
teams like pompey/man city/villa/blackburn all have a few real quality players that take your average pl player to pieces.
61 CRAIGG // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:35
Butt goals were an extremely vital opening goal agains Everton in a 3-2 win And A goal at Chelsea that would have got us a point if the lines man wasnt paid off with Russsia Roubles. Butt does his job to a degree he breaks up a lot of opposition attacks but wastes possetion trying over elaborate 25 yard passes he should revert to last seasons excellent form by playing short passes to the more creative players and do what he does best snuff out opposition attacks
62 Tom_Toon // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:36
John - I absolutely hate Butt, but i hate Smith even more.
63 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:37
I know Ian, they have all improved and we have been left behind..
It sickens me when i look at the team sheet and see Butt bang right in the middle of midfield..
Why not stick passers in there at least. Even Faye. He’s been excellent this year. Our only good signing ..Stick him there with either Barton or Emre.
Id be delighted to see that on Saturday and will hope for it, but i know im going to be dissapointed cus I always am when it comes to watching us and Butt trying to play 60 yard balls he’ll never make..
He must just be a nice lad behind the scenes cus hes a shit footballer. There’s no other reason he gets a start week in week out
64 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:43
Excellent form last year craig..Where did we come that year..13th or something like that..
I would’nt put Excellent in the same sentence as Butt …Just does’nt really go..Feels wrong
65 CRAIGG // Feb 20, 2008 at 15:44
“Faye. He’s been excellent this year. Our only good signing” Havent you see many matches this season Faye has been fantastic but Beye has been even better and Enrique has been very good when played as well
66 cooldj // Feb 20, 2008 at 16:02
how many own goals does smith have though???
67 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 16:06
ok craig, sorry Beye has been good this year also..Not sure you could put Enrique in there yet…Has’nt been brillant if you ask me..
The reason i pointed out Faye is that he would be much much much better than Butt in Midfield and you would be a fool not to agree
68 CRAIGG // Feb 20, 2008 at 16:10
I dont disagree but i think that we need him in defence. Barton, Emre and Zog can play in the central mid positions and i think this back 4 is really good and the only solid back four available to us until the summer.
Beye Taylor Faye Enrique
69 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 16:10
i think the answer to that is none cooldj ..Butt is probably in double figures though
70 John // Feb 20, 2008 at 16:14
i can see what your saying but i dont think the defence is the only reason we have conceded so many goals..
I would much prefer to have a protector in front of the defence aswell like every other team cus Butt just does’nt cut the musturd in that department..
Barton could probably do it aswell , but i just cant see him starting with Emre and Barton together
71 Deano // Feb 20, 2008 at 16:16
Out:
Butt, Ameobi, Ramage, Viduka, Rozehnal, Carr
In:
Diego - CAM
Asharven - CAM
Elmander - CF
Kalouda - MF
Wes Brown - RB/CB
Rinse/Wayne Bridge - LB
Ezequiel Marcelo Garay - CB/RB
Peter Crouch - CF
72 CRAIGG // Feb 20, 2008 at 16:25
John, Fair point but moving faye to the holding midfield position leaves Cacapa, Ramage (When fit) or a young inexperienced kid like Edgar (Although he has impressed me when ive seen him), Tozer or Kadar and it could ruin one of these kids confidence and future career if he has a series of bad games in a really hard league
73 Tom_Toon // Feb 20, 2008 at 17:10
Obafan - Ever seen Overmeire, i havent but he is apparently a defensive mdfielder very much like Carrick? Could be worth a punt for cheap, hes got to be better than Butt?
74 ScottyT // Feb 20, 2008 at 17:31
tbh the only ones out of that list id keep would be viduka and cacapa and theyre just for backup. the 4 i chose were barton (thug should be jailed or released on a free), rozehnal (doesnt want to be here), shola (shite) and smith (doesnt score enough goals nor create enough chances).
ps carr would be one of my choices but he aint there .. probs cos we all expect him to leave anyways eh
75 rob // Feb 20, 2008 at 17:47
Given f off stop getting in a huff when harps gets a chance let harps in given cash in and by to all the players on the list except viduka he is good lets try and get the best out of him
76 Johann // Feb 20, 2008 at 18:41
John
I think you are way too harsh on Butt. I think butt has a lot more to give than what he has. When you think about butt has been good coming into their area and solid at his defensive duties, it´s just his damn passing. I believe it will improve
Smith I doubt more!
77 CJ // Feb 20, 2008 at 19:45
Ed you forgot to put Carr on there he is a fat joke and if Duff really want’s Carr to stay he obviously doesn’t want the best for the club so i would get rid of both of them.
78 Micky // Feb 20, 2008 at 23:36
Carr.
Rozehnal.
Emre.
N’Zogbia only because he wants to leave.
Ameobi.
Edgar(Loan)
Baheng(Loan)
Tozer(Loan)
Viduka.
Troisi.
Lua Lua(Loan)
Forster(Loan)
79 Mac // Feb 21, 2008 at 9:39
Right if we have 50 mil to spend in the summer and Kev wants British this is how,no must be spent,
Bentley Blackburn 14 m yes that’s right 14 m,
Carrick man u 11 m
Bridge chelsea 6m
Ashton West ham 7m
Dunne Man city 6m
Sell a few of our shite to raise a few more quid and get Crouch for 9 m and get Wes Brown for a free from Man u. Job done european place
80 darren mills // Feb 21, 2008 at 10:45
Johann - you surely cant have watched any football this season, keep Butt and Smith what a joke, would get rid of, Butt,Smith,Rozenthal,cacapa,Geremi,Viduka, Carr,Ameobi,Barton. Players i would try and bring in,
CB-Campbeel or Dunne
LB-Bridge
RM-SWP or Ashraim
DM-Edmilson
CM-Carrick
ATT-Pandev
That would leave the team like this.
GK - Given-Foster
DEF-Beye-Taylor-Faye-Campbell/Dunne-Edgar-Kadar-Bridge-enrique
MID-Milner-Ashraim/SWP-Emre-edmilson-N Zogbia-Duff-Carrick-Lua Lua
ATT-Owen-Martins-carroll-Pandev
Then add some young players to the mix and you have a good squad for the future, would also have some good techniacal players which we are sorley lacking, Ashraim,Edmilson,Emre,N Zogbia,Duff,Pandev. Either way lets hope king Kev realises this and a massive overhual is needed.
81 hanzemre // Feb 21, 2008 at 10:55
base on performance from that poll list it is definately be Ameobi,Butt,Barton & Smith…Out of that list must be Carr,Given,Viduka,Rozehnal,Geremi.The rest we can keep to make up numbers. Ah ha seems like Ameobi hits the list!!
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